Climate Change
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And don't forget; "MAY".
The sea may rise, the ice may melt, we may see catastrophic tropical storms...and so on.
How do you stand with; "the ice WILL disappear" and "WHEN the ice disappears."
And by the way; I am launching a law suit for defamation of my character because I am tarred as being undeducated because I didn't go to Uni (thank god).
Yep 12/15 then.
See levels have risen and may of the worlds glaciers and ice caps have retreated.
Dude...you spelt sea incorrectly. That means you must be a commie leftist greenie hell bent on destroying global capitalism by employing unnecessary expensive carbon taxes to fight an imaginary problem based around an odourless, colourless life giving gas. And you kill kittens.
How about 'the ice is disappearing'c 90% of glaciers are shrinking world wide (source; world glacier monitoring service, 2011).
Sea levels have risen. By about 20 cm since 1880 and by about 3mm a year currently. (Source: church et al 2008).
Link http://academics.eckerd.edu/instructor/hastindw/MS1410-001_FA08/handouts/2008SLRSustain.pdf
"Sea levels are currently rising at the upper limit of the projections ..... Of the IPCC".
I'm 30 and have been switched between vegetarianism, veganism and pescatarianism since I was 16 so I'm well versed in these conversations and I think your analogy is flawed.
I think a more appropriate analogy would be a spokesperson for PETA wearing a fur coat.
Most man-made climate change believers are not prepared to make anything other than the most token and non-life altering sacrifices. This may sound silly, but it really does take a decent amount of sacrifice to deny oneself one's favourite foods on a daily basis, especially when watching others savouring them. I've yet to meet a man-made climate change believer who denies themselves their favourite anything.
Actually, no, they don't. Any changes they make are extremely small and require no real effort (i.e. it doesn't take but a second to put the plastic bottle in the recycling bin).
They don't deny themselves holidays, cars, renovations, nothing. In fact, for years I was personally condescended by man-made climate change believers for not driving or taking holidays (it's very unsophisticated not to go to Europe, you know?) despite the fact that I was concerned about 1. the impact on the environment and 2. peak oil.
Not to mention that many of the people who mocked my dietary choices were climate change believers. Oh, the irony! Do they not know how environmentally unfriendly meat production is?
Eventually I just gave up. We just bought our very first car, we might even take one of those overseas holidays everybody is raving about. Oh, and I eat seafood (currently a pescatarian) even though our oceans are depleting. I feel quite the hedonist. Strangely, most don't give a second thought to doing any of these things.
And please don't get me started on Greens voters who boast about how good organic produce is for the environment and how much healthier it is. There are over 7 billion people in the world and iirc the population is predicted to peak at about 11 billion. There is not enough farmable land to feed that many people organic produce. I do wonder what they imagine the solution to be.
Quite a different story to what you said before. I'm reminded of the Einstein quote: The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.
Do you post this article in support of the "believers" meme that the world is taking action seriously? Lol.
So what caused that stuff last time?
Qualifications are relevant when people are calling the scientists lazy, wrong or corrupt.
Nothing wrong with having any trade but if I want climate advice, I'll ask a scientist, if I want electrical advice ill ask an electrician and if I want advice on digging holes in water I know who to come to. I don't want the climate scientist to wire my house or you to interpret 1000s of climate data sets for me. No offence intended.
The Government Green Paper is out
http://environment.gov.au/topics/cleaner-environment/clean-air/emissions-reduction-fund/green-paper.
No indication yet of what the "Mechanism" will be applied to those businesses that exceed their historical baseline emissions. Will they be punished by way of taxation or not?
What could an incentive not to do something be?
Quote Greenpaper:
"Businesses will be encouraged to decrease emissions below their historical business-as-usual levels through the Emissions Reduction Fund. In addition, a mechanism will be developed in conjunction with business stakeholders to provide incentives not to exceed historical emissions baselines. This element will safeguard the value of funds expended under the Emissions Reduction Fund and provide businesses with a stable and predictable policy landscape within which to make new investments."
The data sets have been carefully cherry picked.
These are the official sites used by BOM and CSIRO to correlate that it's getting hotter.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/index.shtml#tabs=Tracker&tracker=site-networks
Click on it! I'll show you something?
We are on Max temp datasets here. Looks like the red dots are where the info is taken from. The yellow dots are big cities, so they are not counted due to urban heat island effects. It's pretty obvious how much hotter the big cities are getting these days.
OK click on any of those red dots. You will get a chart that shows that the maximum annual temps are increasing.
Lets check a few out? Click on Gunnedah? You will get this chart. From the resource centre.
Yep. Great rising temp trend there. They'd be happy with that one. Lets put it in the official data set?
However there is another site in Gunnedah with a much longer set of info, the Gunnedah pool info. Looks like this,
It was conveniently left off the data set.
Not very far from Gunnedah is Coonabarabran. A magnificent set of temperatures. 130 years of uninterrupted temperature recordings? What a valuable set of info to use? But no, it's left off. Looks like this,
See ya's.
Lets go to another on the BOM data set. We will go to the Hunter region. Scone? Click on the red dot? Yep, do it? You will get this.
Great. Actually doesn't show as much warming as the Gunnedah one, but that will do. But other towns nearby also have data sets.
Murrurundi.
No warming here. It was left off!
Another not far away, Jerry's Plains,
Not used either!
The rainfall data sets have been cherry picked too. I could go through them and point out how they have been cherry picked. I'd imagine it's probably part of the reason why these scientists think rainfall is falling? The data sets have been cherry picked for the ones who show whats required? But when the full data is used, we get increasing rainfall.
See ya's.
Great. Actually doesn't show as much warming as the Gunnedah one, but that will do. But other towns nearby also have data sets.
Murrurundi.
No warming here. It was left off!
Another not far away, Jerry's Plains,
Not used either!
The rainfall data sets have been cherry picked too. I could go through them and point out how they have been cherry picked. I'd imagine it's probably part of the reason why these scientists think rainfall is falling? The data sets have been cherry picked for the ones who show whats required? But when the full data is used, we get increasing rainfall.
See ya's.
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It's pretty simple. Only certain data sets of temps have been used. Others were left off. They were cherry picked. Go and look at the links I posted.
See ya's.
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After all that hoo-haa, you're now asking a very switched on farmer with no qualifications to interpret climate data sets for you. Brilliant !!
Looks like the data scientists gather is ridgy didge. It's all the selective "spin" and "interpretation" and "extrapolation out 100 years" where it all goes to custard and loses all of its legitimacy.
