Steve McKnight's US commercial property fund

Possibly true as well, the Navra Fund went that way though I wonder if Steve (possibly a common name for fund managers) Navra made any ???
 
Hi

Anyone considering Steve's property fund ?

Www.passiveincomefund.com

I was comsidering dipping my toes in with some SMSF funds.

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Amelia

Main concerns with this product is you have no control whatsoever.

Also, SMc is purchasing commercial but this is not blue chip commercial stuff, this is low end feeder stuff, trailer parks etc.

MTR
 
Main concerns with this product is you have no control whatsoever.

Also, SMc is purchasing commercial but this is not blue chip commercial stuff, this is low end feeder stuff, trailer parks etc.

MTR

Agree with MTR.

I came across the opportunity and PDS months ago.

As with all unlisted products, liquidity is compromised. Doesn't mean that they are no good, however each unlisted Real Estate Investment Trust must be assessed on it's own merits. DD more difficult on overseas assets.

The indicative properties are not that great and yields not necessarily commensurate with the far from blue chip assets they are chasing or indeed perhaps have purchased earlier and are now presenting to investors.

As with everything caveat emptor.
 
Anyone considering Steve's property fund ?

Www.passiveincomefund.com

I was comsidering dipping my toes in with some SMSF funds.

How has the fund performed over the past year, 3 years, 5 years, etc?

How has it compared to other similar funds?

What's that? It doesn't have a track record yet?

Why on earth would you invest in a product (or a fund manager) without a proven track record?

There are a lot of property funds out there - I'm sure you can find one that has proven its returns over time?

... or else, give the McKnight fund a couple of years to prove itself and then consider investing.
 
Why on earth would you invest in a product (or a fund manager) without a proven track record?

As a manager of funds, Steve hasn't done so bad the past 15 years or so. He already owns ALOT of property in USA.

Having said that, the prospectus didn't inspire me with the kind of returns on offer. I can definitely return more in my own investments.
 
As a manager of funds, Steve hasn't done so bad the past 15 years or so. He already owns ALOT of property in USA.

A good manager of funds does not necessarily make a good fund manager.

It's a very different ball game managing someone else's money!
 
Possibly true as well, the Navra Fund went that way though I wonder if Steve (possibly a common name for fund managers) Navra made any ???

Maybe he hasn't personally but like all smart operators his family has certainly benefited - at a massive price to many of his most loyal followers some of whom are now on meager pensions or worse working of enormous debts or declared bankrupt.

Back to the OP topic. If you feel that investing in a fund that is going to invest in Mobile homes then go for it:eek:

As others have already mentioned liquidity will be a huge issue and I would suggest inexperience of the fund managers would come a close second.

Cheers
 
I simply can't understand how a newly formed managed fund (in any asset category) can deliver above-average or even adequate returns. And funds don't always last even as long as an individual's investment horizon.

The exception is if the fund picks an unpopular (but good) asset area, in which case it would never attract enough funds to get off the ground. Attracting subscribers is important as the costs to set up a fund are significant and may even outstrip the claimed 'economies of scale' of pooling money. Therefore I can see an irreconcileable tension between what's popular and what's good. And unfortunately in this game no one knows for sure at the start.

We're all familiar with economic cycles or 'property clocks' with booms and busts. Only a few people are buying when it's unpopular, while every man and his dog wants a piece of the action when the stories of quick riches come out.

Very roughly something like this:

1. Low demand > stagnant values > few buyers > uncertainty > unpopular as asset category

2. Increasing demand > not yet enough confidence to add to supply > more buyers > slowly rising prices

3. High demand > rising confidence > more construction planned > even more buyers > faster rising prices due to scarcity

4. Extreme demand > very high confidence > some new construction completed > stories of people getting rich quick > even more buyers especially inspired by seminars to mortgage own home > rising prices due to investor demand (not real demand for underlying asset)

5. Everyone want so get in on action - including those without time / interest / knowledge to do so independently + Record of stellar performance of underlying asset = opportunity seen by managed fund promoters

6. Over supply > values stop rising > lower confidence > financial failures > managed funds lose support so are wound up (back to 1. above)

Just before the Asian crisis c1998 managed fund providers set up special Asian funds. Similarly just before the 'tech wreck' c2001 managed funds established dot com funds. No matter how good the manager, I can't see a property managed fund doing any better.

Managed fund managers play on past performance, but the moment that an asset class is popular, has anecdotes of quick riches so is marketable as a managed fund seems to be the WORST time to invest in that asset class. Whereas a bad time to launch a managed fund might be a good time to buy that particular asset.

In fact worse than if you bought independently late in the cycle since managed funds require some time to get approval and for the public hype to generate sufficient demand for product. New managed funds seem to indicate well what was popularly thought to make money 2 years ago and what was a good buy maybe 4 years ago.

While there are long-term general managed funds which have existed for years, those that are more specialist seem to have shorter and cyclical lifespans. Like 106% mortgages and no-doc loans these funds only seem to be around right at the top of the boom, after which the manager winds them up after a disappointing performance and lack of new subscriptions. A pattern which does not suit substantial and long-term investments.

Sorry but I can't see this working, no matter how well-intentioned or good the manager's previous record is. The need to attract capital inflow, human nature and the heard mentality are all too tough to counter.
 
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Wow. Well thought out responses here esp Spiderman! I was looking at this. This investment vehicle is a Ferrari for the drivers.

What's in it for the Fund Managers? (0-100 in 4.3 secs) ongoing management fees, performance fees, acquisition fees, disposal fees, leasing fees and debt arranging fees all valid fees coming right out of your smsf, all with minimums specified too.

What's in it for mum and dad? (0-100 in 12 secs). I am very green in fund analysis but for what it is worth I would still recommend this to passive investors as I like Steve M alot and his strategies, read his books and respect his transparency regarding this fund. (To his credit he has always mentioned at his seminars performance fee kicks in after 12% gain so it's win win).
 
Has anyone invested in this fund? I got this email today and the fund looks like it's doing well. I'm thinking about buying a condo/apartment in Florida. I know Florida has moved a lot recently but does anyone think it's still worth investing in the U.S.?

Overnight I received the first independent restricted appraisal report pertaining to the current market value of some of our Ft Myers properties.*Here is a summary of the report's conclusions:

1. Hanson Street

Acquired:*18 March 2013

Months owned: 14

Purchase price: $625,000

Est Market Value: $875,000

Value increase: $250,000

% increase: 40%

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2. Palmetto Grove

Acquired:*15 August 2013

Months owned: 9

Purchase price: $2m

Est Market Value: $2.25m

Value increase: $250,000

% increase: 12.5%

*

3. Rams Plaza (Fowler St)

Acquired:*9 September 2013

Months owned: 8

Purchase price: $667,500

Renovations: $69,500

Est Market Value: $1.15m

Net value increase: $413,000

% increase: 56%

*

4. Summary:

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Net Value Increase:$913k*

% increase: 27%

*

* Note: the gain is in USD, at 94 cents it equates to AUD$971k.

*

I hope you agree this is a most pleasing outcome.

*

The next step is to review the report and its findings at a Board level, and to make a recommendation about adopting the report's findings so the revaluations flow through to the unit price.

*

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More Revaluations To Come

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I expect the revaluation report on the other properties being re-appraised to arrive on 1 June.

If you want to invest or top up before the impact of that report flows through to the unit price then please supply your application form, ID (as required) and money before 31 May (or*before 20 Mayif you would like to earn 6% pro rata interest up until your units are issued).
 
Has anyone invested in this fund? I got this email today and the fund looks like it's doing well. I'm thinking about buying a condo/apartment in Florida. I know Florida has moved a lot recently but does anyone think it's still worth investing in the U.S.?

Wait - you're in Texas and thinking about Florida?

That's like making a bomb in Port Hedland and thinking about Cairns.
 
come on Sim - past performance is no guarantee of future performance! :D

Quite true - but if a fund has never demonstrated its ability to generate the advertised returns, then all you are buying is the "promise" of a return - sometimes using a completely unproven system or investment vehicle.
 
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